Additionally, I used a backup copy of the Program Files Autocad 2000 folder on a CD to transfer my client's customized settings from his old Windows 98 computer to the new Dell after I had installed Autocad 2000. Results 1 - 48 of 102 - This file can be used on any version of Autocad after version 2007 until now (2019). Functional genuine Autodesk Autocad LT 2000i. Mar 16, 2010 - Older versions of AutoCAD are 32-bit programs and will run in Windows 7 64-bit OSs, but they used 16-bit installer stubs. Based on the.
it's highly likely that the vast majority of readers have never used and may never use the flagship autocad product of california-based software company autodesk, but licensing decisions being made by that company could have wide-ranging effects on how you use other software.
at issue is autodesk's issuance of a policy banning anyone from auctioning autocad via online auction services such as ebay. autodesk, claiming that such sales are illegal, specifically states that only autodesk authorized resellers may sell autocad. thus, if you own a copy of autocad, you cannot sell it. autodesk maintains that it is legal to “transfer” a license to another party, but you simply can't sell it no matter what.
at first this may seem to involve only autocad, but restrictions on the resale of software licenses have long been a point of contention between consumers and software companies. many companies include restrictions on the resale of licenses in the end user license agreement (eula) included with every piece of software, although rigid enforcement has been the exception instead of the rule. autodesk's actions could change that.
head on over to the inquirer for more info.
eric's opinion
i've worked with autodesk and its products (and spin-offs) for a decade and a half, and i have to say that the company is probably the most arrogant, stubborn, difficult to work with company that i've ever had the displeasure of being forced to work with. true, its products are outstanding, and define what professional cad really is in the design market. too bad that the company is so heavy-handed with users that it's acquired this stigma. autodesk resellers are no better, charging absolute top-dollar at all times, rarely discounting even when bulk sales are on the line, and generally providing very poor customer service.
and now autodesk is restricting end-user sales … not that there's ever been that much of a market for used autocad, but that's not the point. autodesk charges us$3,995 for autocad, an extremely hefty sum when you consider much of its competition charges less than half that amount. to a small design firm that's a lot of money. what happens if you lay off some of your design staff and no longer need those licenses? according to autodesk you're stuck with them, almost like an extra car that you can't sell.
the sad part is, most software companies would like to enforce things like this. after all, every used license that is sold translates into a lost sales opportunity for them. while it's extremely difficult to monitor and enforce such things for the vast majority of software, the consolidation of the auction market into behemoths like ebay make it easier for companies to clamp down.
go back and re-read your eula sometime. you'd be surprised at what you might find.
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| free software(12:28pm est mon dec 09 2002) people already tried this by selling cd cases for money then including a free cd-r with data on it it didnt work maybe you shouldnt be a lawyer – by the real quaid |
| you think autodesk is bad, try bentley systems(1:03pm est mon dec 09 2002) while microstation is more professional than autocad, bentley systems (who bought it from integraph many years ago) is apalling to work with. autodesk is only now catching up. microstation allows transfering of license (for a fee) and the recipient must subscribe to their “select services” agreement (which is anywhere from $1000-$2500 per set per year, depending on the firm's size). it's all a bunch of crap. autocad is so pirated because, like microsoft and others, they allowed rampant piracy in the early days to establish market. now they have the market and they are screwing them, becuase their only real competition is microstation, and as i said, microstation has been screwing it's users for years, so autodesk loses nothing (really) by doing this. most small firms have pirated copies anyway, so this only punishes the few honest (read: too big to get away with piracy) companies. autocad is the windows of the cad world: patch upon patch upon patch of an antiquated 16-bit code. it truly is garbage when you need to do serious work (like high-rises, ocean liners, etc.) it's also crap for small stuff (houses, tenant improvements, etc) since the smaller, lighter, alternates are much more cost-effective. just my $0.02 worth, |
| re: myrkat(1:08pm est mon dec 09 2002) i feel for ya, i've heard about bentley systems. newtek (lightwave) is also pretty horrid, try getting an education version (when you're legit for it) or transferring a license sometime and see how many hoops it takes. trouble is newtek is slowly dying off, makes me wonder why they bother…… – by ziwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwiwi |
| pirates…(1:13pm est mon dec 09 2002) campus was beautiful…i could grab whatever software i needed from the architecture students (40 of whom pooled toghethor like $100 a piece of bought the software and all made a copy – i cant remember who got to keep the original – maybe he had to pay 400 or something) but they got it and with it came the tech support – which sucked -mthen one day i got a copy of it….and suddenly everyone on campus had it…gotta love gigabit ethernet on campus… – by random student |
| bull-shizzy(1:31pm est mon dec 09 2002) its this type of crap that makes me want to post the addy to autocad iso on some bonded t3 server in iran. for shame, autodesk. this is america. everything is for sale. eventually, this will go to court, and autodesk will be out of plenty legal fees, and made to look the idiot. screw them. p.s., i'll be heading to the store later for a copy, as of today, it's for sale. – by digital zero |
| first sale(2:05pm est mon dec 09 2002) how does the first sale princinple apply to this? once you own it, how can they tell you what to do with your property? since this is not the same as copying, can they enforce this? – by notalawyer |
| free autodesk(2:51pm est mon dec 09 2002) auction a computer mouse and offer free autodesk to highest bidder. – by lupe-hole |
| re: notalawyer(2:55pm est mon dec 09 2002) you do not own software, you license it. read those agreements. they could come and take your cd from you, if they wanted to! it's their property, you are only paying to use it. maybe cd's and movies will have licenses instead of ownership in the near future. just my $0.02 worth, |
| this has always been true.(3:23pm est mon dec 09 2002) autodesk has always had this policy. consulting with schools, i have asked autodesk for 10 years to allow engineering firms to donate their old copies (2 versions out of current) of autocad to schools. autodesk has flatly refused & then called the engineering firms & threatened to sue them even though the firm has done nothing yet. you are then hounded monthly for years by autocad salesmen to purchase autocad for your lab. it is hard enough to get engineering firms to work with schools, but after this it takes months just to open talks with the firms because they are so afraid of autodesk. many schools do not have the money for $3000 per seat, but if they are going to have an autocad class & lab, they must pay. this is not news, just autodesk restating it's policy. – by tech |
| gnutella(3:39pm est mon dec 09 2002) i would think they would be more worried about p2p than people trying to transfer licenses. open up your favorite file sharing program, and type autocad. there must be 1000 copies for every legitimate license. i'd be pissed if i was them. – by etcetera |
| na(4:13pm est mon dec 09 2002) the only way to get around this is. to sell something online, and send the winner the software, box, disk etc. free! its a hardthing to do, you cannot even tell them you are going to do that. its like the nut and the beer trick. if someone buys a nut thinking and knowing they are going to get a beer then its bad. now if they buy a nut and you give them a beer without them knowing about it (posting a sign) then its ok (they have to be drinking age). i really see how they can stop you in giving the software away that you once lic/own. the the new owner take care of the lic. hell why even let them know. all it needs is a dong and a number right? – by just a dude…. |
| autodesk sucks(4:19pm est mon dec 09 2002) autodesk is very much a bullie– check these out: – by forcedtoquit |
| re: just a dude(4:52pm est mon dec 09 2002) autocad's licence is very specific in the fact that the licencee does not have the right give the software away, and i have delt with firms autodesk has sued for trying (not actually giving) to do so. in fact, i delt with a firm that was sued for putting files on a cd (during backup) & photo copying parts of the manual for the firms use. – by tech |
| there(5:21pm est mon dec 09 2002) there are ways to get around this. i really do not see a judge giving them this one. i could be wrong, i have seen some judges do some oddstuff. but in the long run. autocad will be the one hurt by this. – by just a dude…. |
| report accurately please(5:35pm est mon dec 09 2002) about eric's comments: the price of autocad is $3395, not $3995, and can be (and often is) aquired for less from resellers. also, please define what competing products sell for half that or less. there are none in that price range. in fact, the only true competition (functionallity, customizing, file portability/data integrity)to autocad in the 2d drafting world is microstation which sells for over $4000. also, autodesk will rent licenses for firms who only take on employees for a per-project basis. btw, the price of a copy of cad and all its benefits is much cheaper than paying a hand drafter to redraw a set of prints for every change order. – by -a reseller |
| re: first sale (5:49pm est mon dec 09 2002) “how does the first sale princinple apply to this?” it does not. this is not a sale situation. this a license use a copyrighted work. it does not permit you to transfer the license, sublicense, etc. since the copyright holder still reserves all rights. ever wonder what “(c)2002 internet widgets, pty. all rights reserved worldwide” meant? this is it. “once you own it, how can they tell you what to do with your property?” that's just it, you never “own” it. you're just permitted to use it for a while. “since this is not the same as copying, can they enforce this?” the question is whether shrink-wrap license agreements are enforceable in the first place. if not you might end up signing a document to get an activation key in the future. – by baarod |
| a tool is a tool …isn't it ?(5:52pm est mon dec 09 2002) ….intellectual property is one thing….and a tool is a tool.no matter what. autocad as well as a pencil is a drafting tool….and tools should be used, bought and sold as a tool. ….it is a good tool, but the ability to buy and sell a tool is as important as the tool itself. if autodesk doesn't grow up…he will be the one hurt… – by another dude |
| re: a reseller(5:54pm est mon dec 09 2002) “btw, the price of a copy of cad and all its benefits is much cheaper than paying a hand drafter to redraw a set of prints for every change order.” are you on drugs? this is such an apples to oranges comparison it is not funny! what if a firm isn't drafting? say they are designing, doing ca (construction admin.) or other non-drafting work on a project? guess what: you are still paying for that license “and all its benefits” let me guess, you want to tell me that $3000 is less than the cost of a drafter. ok, sure it is. however, businesses are in business to make money, adding $3000 per seat on top of the drafter's wages and benefits isn't exactly a great argument for the alleged merits of a software application. besides, look at your statement “…much cheaper than paying a hand drafter to redraw…” – so the cad program will draw for me? guess what, sherlock, i still have to pay a drafter! i know the benefits of cad, and you're going at it the wrong way. if you are a reseller, i wonder how long you've been doing it! obviously, you do not have much knowledge in the aec field (hint: if you have to redraw a set of “prints” for every change order, you'd be out of business with your first project). just my $0.02 worth, |
| re: by -a reseller(5:55pm est mon dec 09 2002) turbocad, powercad/felixcad, intellicad, and many more. – by (not eric) |
| license to use intellectual property ?(6:03pm est mon dec 09 2002) information is fragile and free. it is the ultimate product of human activity. it is not yours but the result of generations creating structure in an universe of increasing entropy. it has no intrinsic value and becomes alive only through action and context. create it, store it, use it, but never own it. intellectual property is public property. – by one more dude |
| educational version costs???(6:08pm est mon dec 09 2002) as a general consumer you might pay a primo price for autodesk software but educational institutions do not. they get a drastically reduced price and someitmes get it for free depending on the volume. we all want our economy to stay strong but when a business tries to protect themselves from piracy or “questionable” sales channels we cry “foul”. come on we all know the rules and i am certain autodesk will feel little to no impact from this decision. no judge will rule against them and their legal budget far exceeds any damage one individual could do to them (which by the way are the ones that are bothered by this decision) legitimate companies would not even questions this policy and enforcement. – by pootie tang |
| it is not the cost of it ….(6:18pm est mon dec 09 2002) is what to do with it when you don't need it any more. if they don't want anyone to sell it, they should buy it back for x amount. – by greg tilsen |
| auto-puke(6:20pm est mon dec 09 2002) as the grains of sand fall through the hour glass nearer to the moment of a wonderfull birth we become. up yours autodesk for 500 bucks you can get tomcadd trs's solution for civil engineering and land development and soon very soon it will stand on it's own so for now you have us but after then sol u bully grrrrrrr growl – by growl |
| the url(6:38pm est mon dec 09 2002) heres the url for tomcadd by the way did i mention they have support in fact i recived a phone call from tom in re to a email this weekend wow i heard jimmy theres a tom on the phone for you now they are even customiseing some specialty drafting tools and this is included in the cost this is the best support i've ever heard of and i was there these guys rock check em out i cant wait till their tomcadd stands alone hopefully this next year – by growl |
| autocad 2000i(6:48pm est mon dec 09 2002) in canada autodesk was asking $7100 for autocad 2000i. do they really think people would pay that much, when black market copies went for as little as $15 us. – by savedabundle |
| bad eula's(6:53pm est mon dec 09 2002) my solutions: nix ms, use gnu/linux and i recommend these solutions to my peers at every opportunity. |
| switch to vectorworks(7:13pm est mon dec 09 2002) call 888-646-4223 $895 for the base product, and $1995 for everything. that looks like about 1/2 price to me. – by why autocad? |
| much to-do over cost of ownership(7:39pm est mon dec 09 2002) any software application has a cost of ownership. if somebody wants to buy tom cadd, turbocad,rhino or any other application, god bless them. they do not near have the depth & bredth of autocad. software companies develop product for one reason and one reason only. “it is a tool to enhance productivity which a consumer will pay a fair value to reap the benefit, in turn the software company will make money.” every software vendor has the opportunity to establish what they consider a fair price point & nobody gives software away. $35, $295, $995, $3495, the list goes on,,, each consumer operates within their means to remain competitive. autodesk may be arrogant, but they have a great development staff and products which enhance their customers competitive edge. sorry folks, i can not diss autodesk for their tenacity, i can not give services away either. – by bendover |
| re: pootie tang(7:45pm est mon dec 09 2002) the educational version is so crippled you can't even print with it. it is only good for teaching elementary drafting classes, not autocad classes. how does buying in volume make it free? why wouldn't everyone buy 1000 copies if they were then free? re: a-retailer: obviously, autocad has a great product & has the right to have whatever eula they want. i was just stating that this has always been their policy. – by tech |
| re: licenses and first sale(8:25pm est mon dec 09 2002) if the software license said that you could not sell your house, would it be enforceable? a license may say a lot of things, but it does not necessarily mean it is enforceable. once you buy the right to use the software they might no longer own the rights that they are trying to control. thus they may not be able to enforce the no sale clause since they may have no such right, regardless of the terms of their license. whether or not they own the software is irrelevant. please do not compare this to a rent agreement, when you buy software you completely own the right to use it. if it was instead a rent agreement, then it must be of a clearly limited term or the usage rights might still be seen as the same as a sale. otherwise it might be seen more like property in the us where all land is considered leased forever by the government but is treated as if it were owned for most legal purposes. while in this case they may still have the right to take it back, it does not mean you would not be able to sue to be compensated for that confiscation at the software's fair value since they are essentially engaging in a corporate form of imminent domain, the 30 day sell back option they offer not applying since they are taking back the right involuntarily. they need confiscate the software just taking your usage rights, should be a basis to claim injury. this is something that needs to be hammered out more clearly in the law, as cases have swung both ways. of course the best alternative would be a viable open source project that would break their monopoly. – by notalawyer |
| what if its stolen?(8:57pm est mon dec 09 2002) “you do not own software, you license it. read those agreements. they could come and take your cd from you, if they wanted to! it's their property, you are only paying to use it. maybe cd's and movies will have licenses instead of ownership in the near future.” if its their property and it is stolen from my workplace who calls the police!!!! this is the situation with 'licenses'. they make software companies feel good. in reality that disk, the manuals, the cheezy jewel case all belong to the person it can be stolen from. theft defines ownership, not licenses! Cars fast as lightning mod. Please subscribe link __https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2tHDvdM4XSYZzVLcWlWUGJwRW8/view. CARS FAST AS LIGHTNING MOD APK Mod apk- https://drive.google.com/file/d. |
| license?(10:15pm est mon dec 09 2002) free lisence tranfer, $1000.00 usd for shipping and handling… – by counsel |
| this has always been true. (10:54pm est mon dec 09 2002) actually it has not, but for most autocad users and even dealers it has been. they really tightened their policies around r11 or r12. it then became basically only possible to transfer a license if you absorbed the entire company. personally i think it is kind of a crock, but i bought the software at full price knowing what i was getting. no regrets. if i did not like it i could have used another software. about the schools. check again. the last time i looked, schools could buy a full educational bundle for somewhere around $700. while that still isn't cheap it did include 3dstudio max, autocad, and mechanical desktop. i'd even guess that today it would include inventor. on the architectural side. if they want automation they should be looking at the products for that purpose, architectural desktop or revit. it really honks me off when i see someone trying to sell illegal copies. that is one of the reasons my copy cost me so much. i pretty much enjoy seeing the pirateers getting their dues. for the group of students that each pitched in, well, it is a good thing autodesk did not find out. the courts have pretty much backed up autodesk all the time. each offender gets to buy as many fully licensed copies as they have loaded at full retail plus maintainance. that would have been a chuck with 20 copies. sorry to rant. just hate seeing so many naggers belly aching about not being able to get something for nothing, especially when they have obviously never read any of the software agreements that pop up when the software is loaded. my $.05 worth. – by autodesk consultant |
| think autocad it bad??(11:01pm est mon dec 09 2002) if you think autodesk is strigent take a look at some of the cnc software $15,000 for the first seat and 5 to $7,000 for each additional and don't even think of loosing or damaging the dongle cause it's worth a cool $15,000 too. oh you don't need those extra seats now? tough shit, make more jobs and fill them. – by that's life |
| wow! myths and misinformation!(11:08pm est mon dec 09 2002) education autocad – there are two versions: student and institutional. institutional is “full autocad”. schools pay less than $1000. student version is time bombed. one or two years. those versions are a couple hundred dollars. yes, they do print and are fully functional but have watermark on plot stating educational use only. keeps the businesses from cheating. legitimate autocad ranges from $2700 to $3395 on autodesk store. lots (most) resellers have to discount. they pay $2300 for it. 15% markup is not mutch in the retail world. learn the facts before posting. Download free video software: video editor and converter, audio converter, CD grabber. Vsdc free video editor software. Dec 22, 2018 - A free, non-linear video editor that's packed with the kind of tools and effects you'd expect from premium software. We?re often suspicious of free software especially if it makes grand claims. Some software like VSDC Free Video Editor even lets you use it for free without any. How to install the program. To install the program, click the 'Download Video Editor' button, then start the downloaded installation file and follow on-screen. there are alternatives, you get what you pay for. some are good values if you don't need to share your data. for full compatibility, there is nothing that will be fully compatible except the real thing. mr. “aia” smartguy: your industry is still in the dark ages compared to others. there are lots of firms that have adopted real cad design technology and standards and it's obvious that you aren't one of them. the folks in manufacturing and machine design are the early adopters and wha ahead of the aec world. they have figured out how to reuse content. so while you are acting smart and redrawing all of your prints, the aec folks that are making it in business today (design build firms) are changing a few dimensions here and there and the intelligence in their 2d and 3d designs is doing the work for them. you have no future unless you take the blinders off, mr. aia. – by fair use |
| steal this software!(11:15pm est mon dec 09 2002) can you justify the price? honest companies can pay for their seats of cad in a very short time by hiring people that know how to use it. if it isn't worth the price, don't buy it. if you are deriving benefit without paying, it's theft no matter who you are stealing from. sorry, there is no justification for that. if you can design a better design product, do it. few succeed in hitting the big time in software. the ones that have failed and have spent fortune trying can tell you what it costs to develop a successful product. anyone ever say to you, “a penny for your thoughts?” you give them your $.02 cents worth. what happened to the extra cent? – by …hmmmm |
| used to be allowed… (12:48am est tue dec 10 2002) in the early days, autodesk had a policy that their customers would always be able to upgrade for a nominal price, and that customers could in fact resell their software, if they didn't need if. the idea was to assure the customer that the big investment they were making would be secure. autodesk has officially stopped uplimited upgrades. if you have r14, you are now out of luck in upgrading it to a new version. maybe 10 years ago, some people got the idea of advertising to buy used copies of autocad. they'd upgrade them to the current version, and sell them as new. it was fine with autodesk at the time –but eventually, autodesk upper management started counting, and figured out that they'd make more money halting the practice. i am curious, though, what the effect would be of a customer creating a legal entity for registering their autocad software. they could then simply sell that legal entity. probably too much trouble. |
| why autocad?(1:51am est tue dec 10 2002) whoever said “use vectorworks”. man you must not do much cad. renderworks is a pretty decent deal. but, for 2d cad vectorworks is horific. no wheel zoom and pan. no auto command repeat. no automatic update of x-ref's when you open a file. walls don't heal themselves. attached objects can't be directly moved to a precise location, you have to open a dialog, get out the calculator and enter a distance from the end of a wall. you can't edit an x-ref from the file that is referencing it. you must use seperate and specific tools for editing text and text in symbols, when you can just double click on most text in autocad to edit it. no auto boundary hatch. i really don't consider vectorworks to be cad, it's more like an illustration program. though i must say it does make a fine planning and schematic design tool. i spent two years working in an office of 30-35 people using vectorworks to do arch. documents. our man hours were 2-3 times what offices who used autocad spent. archicad has some nice features. but in the end, microstation is the only real professional alternative. maybe catia for some applications. revit had some promise, but of course like anything else that starts to look like it might beat autocad, autodesk bought it up. anyway autodesk sucks, that's no news really. most eula's suck, and that's no news either. just don't use ebay. we've called other offices in the area cold to try and sell off unused lic. before. it's not hard to find someone to give you $1000 for a legit copy of autocad – by clause |
| ebay sales(4:45am est tue dec 10 2002) i haven't read everyone's comments but i am sure most are missing the point. ebay (in the uk anyway) sales of autocad are usually dishonest. members are selling educational copies as full copies, upgrades as full copies and even pirate copies. the sellers are attempting to mislead the purchaser with attractive pricing. stating that they will provide a copy of £ 3000 + software for as little as £ 350.00, when you ask the reseller for the code you find out that it's either educational (worth about £ 300.00 and cannot be used commercially) or an upgrade version that will not get licenced by autodesk as the new owner hasn't got the history of the product. i'll bet that the industries 'your in' (the people commenting on this subject) feel just the same when 3rd world manufacturers 'copy' vehicle parts and sell them on as genuine at considerably less ! thus damaging the industry that pay's your wages and feeds you !! similar activities i am sure occur in the building industry with conterfeit or inferior goods. let us genuine autodesk dealers make a living from the products that make your lives and working practices easier. |
| i didn't sign a eula(5:21am est tue dec 10 2002) do you have to sign a eula in order to buy the product? (sign a “legal” contract.) or do they take your money as fast as they can and put it in their account, then send it to you as a purchased product? i think the answer to that question should also answer the “legality” of their current ploy. – by did i sign it? |
| ebay(5:30am est tue dec 10 2002) heck, if courts become corrupt enough in the u.s. for eula's to become law then i will be making a fortune! i'll sell miscellanious crap on ebay, and without telling the buyer, include a little piece of paper in the box saying that they don't really “own” what they bought, they are only “licensing” it. i'll be nice and allow them to resell the license though, but they will have to give me at least 50% of what they make from it, as will the next guy who buys it from him. and it won't matter if the original eula statement is still with the product or not, it will still be legally binding! ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law! so many possibilities! i can hear pandora's software box opening already. heh heh… |
| 500 pound gorilla!(5:41am est tue dec 10 2002) autodesk will do anything to squash the competition, take intellicad for example. i found intellicad 2000 in the bargain rack at best buy for $29.95, and it was the full version. so what happened? well they didn't study the way autodesk got where they are, they just just built a cad engine based on autocad, and tried to sell it dirt cheap. thats all fine, but they didn't open it up to third party developers enough so they could plug in there apps without having to rebuild there compiled programs. even most lisp routines have to be updated somewhat to work. just like microsoft, autodesk opened up for developers and then stole all there good ideas and incorporated them into there product. or they just buy out the competition if their to big to squash, like softdesk etc. autodesk is ready to sue anyone, anywhere, anytime for any reason. i work for a design firm, and an employee got fired for good reason, this employee then called autodesk and told them they had more installations than they had licences, which was a lie. autodesk then tried to bully this company by saying buy 10 more licences or we will sue you! this without any proof other than the disgruntled employees say so. we won, but it did cost us. so we now use tomcadd because they don't charge for upgrades, and they are porting to intellicad and standalone. so if your still paying for autodesk products its your own fault. if you rub the tummy of a 500 pound gorilla, and he steps on your neck and won't let you up, take a lighter to his balls, and run like hell! it will save you money, and maybe your life. – by ortho |
| its a commercial world guys!(6:33am est tue dec 10 2002) how many of you live in this commercial world?? u charge 4 your services (as do i), autodesk charges 4 thiers. if they over charged – nobody would buy it! even if you ignore dodgy copies, autocad is still the most widely used cad package. giving your work away wont pay the mortgage & lunch! im the director of a small development company and i have seen our tools ripped off. your payment pays for development, which improves your tools etc. etc. – by softwarewriter |
| transferring of software rights by trusts(6:52am est tue dec 10 2002) i feel the easiest way to solve this problem for businesses is just set up a trust with the rights to use it. transferring the ownership of the trust is none of autodesk's business because. autodesk cannot take back the licence to use their software because you are not infringing on your rights to use the software and they cannot refuse to sell to the trust because they made a general offer to the general public to buy their software. technically, a trust can buy the software and rent the control of the trust to other companies (hence the rights to the software) and they would be legal. i can't think of how to legally say this but i know its impossible for autodesk to take back the rights to use the software in this case just because they feel like. gotta be breach of contract/warranty of some type. – by rb |
| stop whinning(8:52am est tue dec 10 2002) as an owner of a small business i've had many an opportunity to use a pirated copy of autocad software. what it boils down to is honesty. we can all argue the finer points of the license agreement, but the money spent for a copy/copies of autocad will pay itself off with your first project as it did with my company. any person in the design field knows this fact although many choose to continue bitching about autodesks policies. no one is forcing anyone to use their software. – by smb |
| yes, stop whinning!(9:22am est tue dec 10 2002) as a cad manager for a design firm with 300+ seats of autodesk products and 150+ seats of bentley products (all of which are on subscription and select), all i have to say is those that are complaining obviously aren't using the software to it's potential and cannot see the value of what they are paying for. for that group i say go buy you vectorworks or other inexpensive product, it will probably handle what little you are trying to do. those of us that need to keep competative in the design business know the value of the autodesk products and will continue to use their products because they pay for themselves over and over. the investment that we make in autodesk products not only helps us compete now, but also allows the future development of better technologies to maintain a competeative edge. – by rjt |
| yes, stop whinning!(9:22am est tue dec 10 2002) as a cad manager for a design firm with 300+ seats of autodesk products and 150+ seats of bentley products (all of which are on subscription and select), all i have to say is those that are complaining obviously aren't using the software to it's potential and cannot see the value of what they are paying for. for that group i say go buy you vectorworks or other inexpensive product, it will probably handle what little you are trying to do. those of us that need to keep competative in the design business know the value of the autodesk products and will continue to use their products because they pay for themselves over and over. the investment that we make in autodesk products not only helps us compete now, but also allows the future development of better technologies to maintain a competative edge. – by rjt |
| to mr. aia and his bad eula(9:25am est tue dec 10 2002) “bad eula's (6:53pm est mon dec 09 2002) my solutions: nix ms, use gnu/linux and i recommend these solutions to my peers at every opportunity. too bad intellicad only runs on windows (). unless you want to risk using wine on linux? no thanks, i'll stick to win2000 and stability! – by informed |
| to the “tech”(9:30am est tue dec 10 2002) “the educational version is so crippled you can't even print with it. it is only good for teaching elementary drafting classes, not autocad classes. how does buying in volume make it free? why wouldn't everyone buy 1000 copies if they were then free? re: a-retailer: obviously, autocad has a great product & has the right to have whatever eula they want. i was just stating that this has always been their policy. – by tech” you obiously have not used it or you would know that it has every feature that the commerical version has. it has a water-mark when it prints saying that it is an “educational version” but what do i know you are the “tech” – by real cad user |
| may help on your taxes(10:02am est tue dec 10 2002) since adesk is taking this position, i think the next thing that needs to happen is to pave the way for expensing software license purchases at the time of purchase and not treating it like a depreciable asset. after all, i can sell my office chair or file cabinet on the open market. where will the government make up the tax money they get from having you depreciate over time. well, adesk still owns the assets now don't they? shouldn't they be paying taxes on the million seats they own and control? – by paul |
| the loophole(10:10am est tue dec 10 2002) transfering software assets can be done legally on ebay. many of the eula's have a loophole that is little known. you can transfer software as an asset of a company. so to get around the restriction on “selling” the software, you have to create a shell company that only owns the software asset. then, sell the company on ebay along with it's assets. throw in an office chair or an old drafting board or maybe even the old computer acad is installed on. if adesk tries to stop this type of transfer they will create a precedent that will mess up a lot of company balance sheets that include the software as an asset. – by dr. gizmo |
| when i meant that it can't print.(1:15pm est tue dec 10 2002) i meant that the printing version of the student educational version does not have all the printing features of the full version. this is fine for a drafting class, but if you are teaching an autocad class it would be nice to use the software as an example instead of the text. $1000 is still a lot of money for a crippled version. i know that in a engineering setting, autocad is the best product on the market, which is why it is upsetting that i can't setup autocad labs at more schools because companies can't donate 5 year old versions to schools. i finally shook my last autodesk salesman 2 yrs ago, so autodesks policy on what they ship as student version may have changed. – by tech |
| ok tech…(2:31pm est tue dec 10 2002) i am sorry i came off as a smart-ass but please explain as to why the printing is different? t it can print to plotters, printers, post-script, etc. you can print hidden lines or normal. it will render to photo-real or photo-raytrace. i just don' see what your gripe is about. i used to work for a university so as emplyees we could buy for educational use and they were full versions just for students (this was about 2 years ago). they did not have the plot-stamp on the r14 student versions then. i believe these are on 2000 and up. – by real cad user |
| impertinent diatribe(3:30pm est tue dec 10 2002) get back to the point from a thread of mostly impudent criticism. senseless babble & venting is a shameful waste of bandwidth. sometimes i read these threads & i wonder how many of you key scratch nice cars or beat your wives & children. most of the autocad for sale on auction forums is pirated anyhow. 1) if you want to use a pencil, go right ahead. 2) if you can not afford autocad, buy something that fits your budget. when you purchase software it is a license. you must accept it when you install the application, or did some of you press “i agree” when in fact you really did not. treat the license with respect & abide by the terms, somebody is working long and hard to create market & continually enhance these products. the roi of autocad is less than 6 months for most users, which means it has saved you that much time in the first 6 months. from that point forward the licensed user is maikng money over using a pencil. it is not your right to steal, resell or otherwise profit from subsequent transaction. |
| this is the answer …(4:27pm est tue dec 10 2002) i gave up on using wasting good money on autocad and tried turbocad pro, which reads and writes dwg files unbelievably well. it's easier and even more powerful than acad. do yourselves a favor and threads like this won't exist for very long. – by turbocad lover |
| i agree !!(4:42pm est tue dec 10 2002) why would anybody spend 3k on an acad license when you can get more for less than $500 with turbocad pro? i love it, and i'v forgotten about dealing with aotodesk. – by tcad lover 2 |
| drop auto”crap” and give you a better life! (5:03pm est tue dec 10 2002) switch to vectorworks, a truly fine product, very easy to learn, with new cad concepts and database capabilities. – by pablo |
| re: real cad user(5:15pm est tue dec 10 2002) i bought full versions of autocad from a u for $30 this year. autocad can't be legally sold by anyone but a autodesk resaler. i'm not saying that you can't get full copies for free. i'm saying that organizations can use these full copies. i'm only repeating information given to me & what i have tried from autodesk resalers. i tend to believe them as they are following autodesk policy. the organization must also have a autocad certified instructor and be a memeber of autocad's educational program. even then, the autodesk resaler will very clearly tell you the difference between the full version ($3000) and the educational version ($1000). – by tech |
| autocad(6:08pm est tue dec 10 2002) regarding acad license…….remember that posession is 9 points of the law….and when asked for the software back tell them ……….the dog ate it. – by rollon |
| cheaper better faster cad(12:30am est wed dec 11 2002) to the guy that said there are no cheaper cad programs that compete….you are sooooo wrong. check out for a list of cad software that makes autocad look very sad indeed, and not one of them is dearer than autocad. most of the programs we use are infinitely more productive than autocad has ever been for us. i would encourage anyone to look at alternatives. they exist and are in use commercially everywhere. – by cad-man |
| 'tis a pity…(1:59am est wed dec 11 2002) …that they're such hard-asses because their cad products (as least) are crap! the only reasons that they are on top are: 1) autocad was created for engineers (mechanical, structural, etc.), who are among the most unimaginative folks you can imagine and are immensly resistent to change, which lead to… autodesk has been really good at making it neigh impossible to import other cad files into autocad/adp – by jack |
| re: to tech(10:48am est wed dec 11 2002) “re: real cad user (5:15pm est tue dec 10 2002) i bought full versions of autocad from a u for $30 this year. autocad can't be legally sold by anyone but a autodesk resaler. i'm not saying that you can't get full copies for free. i'm saying that organizations can use these full copies. i'm only repeating information given to me & what i have tried from autodesk resalers. i tend to believe them as they are following autodesk policy. the organization must also have a autocad certified instructor and be a memeber of autocad's educational program. even then, the autodesk resaler will very clearly tell you the difference between the full version ($3000) and the educational version ($1000). – by tech” you need to go to a college bookstore then. they sell autocad (it might not be on the shelf but they can get it)! you are telling me what you have heard and i am telling you what i have done. i have a friend that has the “educational” copy and i set down with it and it does everything i could think of to try to see the difference. it printed, it exported, it rendered, it loaded lisps. what do you think that it will not do? i did not try to write out to a database but if it has it's full arx and vlisp functions. i could see the database link as well being there. and since he was a student.he got a 2 year license for under $300 (straight autocad). – by real cad user |
| to: jack(10:54am est thu dec 12 2002) re: tis a pity… hey jack, not only does your posting have nothing to do with licensing, you are completely inaccurate on your points 1 & 2. 1) engineers are highly imaginative, where do you think all the communication devices and modern conveniences came from ? if it were not for a mechanical engineer, you would be carrying buckets of water in from the river to take a bath. 2)do an honest comparison of all the features somebody could need in a cad system, you will see that acad has the greatest depth & bredth. 3) cad translation, autodesk has a flavorable iges translator, excellent step translation & a great feature exchange product inside of mechanical desktop. jack, do your homework, do not demonstrate your ignorance. i can honestly say you do not know jack. – by bendover |
| give others cad a chance …(12:57pm est tue dec 31 2002) i left autodesk on my own back in 98 to join another cad company. from the inside looking out, autodesk knows its gig is up. it will not sell enough autocad to keep up their fancy offices and their high salaries. the more you buy other cads (which are just as good) the better message you will be sending to fat bartz and her crew – by wallace |
| look at this case(1:13pm est tue dec 31 2002) united states district court case no. cv 00-04161 ddp (ajwx) adobe x softman products company, this should give you enough information and allow you to sell your software. a written instrument (a license agreement) does not supersede the property law. you do not have the ip rights, these belong solely to its inventor, but you do have the product. same principle applies to books, vhs movies, etc, at least so does think the california supreme court. – by you-own-it |
| monopaly(9:02pm est tue jan 21 2003) its really simple. there product is on top and they know it they will pull what ever they want and screw you as many times as they can cuz they know you need there product and as for fighting them in court good luck justice is the more expencive lawer (look at oj) the only way to fight this is compatition. stop useing there product and start suporting there compediters (kick them off there high horse) – by rubix |
| recycle or burn?(3:45pm est sun feb 09 2003) i have an original copy of autodesk's 3d studio max, version 2.5 the books, cd, dongle, registration card – all brand new & never used. when i tried to sell it on ebay, the price got up to $300 before they took it down. they also sent e-mail to all the bidders, scaring them away. i'm now having an enlightening e-mail discussion with one of autodesk's lawyers. any suggestions? – by ebay-boy |
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| waterstamp(4:17pm est mon apr 14 2003) is there anyway to remove the student version waterstain? – by djpro |
| lisence microstation(4:30pm est wed apr 23 2003) lisence – by bentley |
| autocad(6:16pm est tue may 06 2003) the unfortunate reality is standardization. standardization of parts in the design world, standardization of electronic formats, and standardization of education. if you have a design company of about 10 people and you're using turbocad (my personal favorite for my home based business) the the cost of training that new people to use another software package other then autocad can end up costing much more then the savings of the alternative product. that is the power that autodesk and microsoft has over the economy. they are the standard. good or bad they are the standard to which everything else is measured. everyone out of college knows autocad and they can start right from the start producing for you. it just makes sense to keep paying for licenses of what everyone knows. there are alternatives to everything in the computer world and feel free to use linuxcad and linux for everything. but in a business with more then a few employees, it just doesn't make sense. – by tanko zuba |
| autocad – lmao(11:42pm est sun nov 09 2003) so now will nike tell me that i can't sell a pair of shoes that i purchased…. that didn't quite fit… that i can't resell those either? reality… garbage! someone “paid” for that first license… if they no longer want it they should have the ability to sell it… just like an old pair of shoes. they will always make money off of upgrades and such…. – by lp |
| autocrap(11:33am est mon nov 24 2003) why don't you autocad dorks upgrade to a real cadd software (microstation) and quite whining about upgrades and functionality. bentley systems have never given you upgrade penelties or discontinued support on past versions as autocad. what do you mean my rel. 2000 is no longer a valid license. you assholes. in calif. are you all on heroine or something. – by j.g. |
| free autocad!(3:07pm est tue dec 02 2003) hey guys what the hell is this ya'll whining about just get on ebay and sell the link of where they can obtain autocad for free and all other kinds of software for free!! if you dare!! enjoy! do not buy autocad!! just get it!! – by fileswapper |
| read the whole eula(6:34pm est tue jan 06 2004) i sure hope none of you acad users who own the company ever find your company going through a difficult financial time. certainly you wouldn't want to renegotiate with your creditors because according to the eula: 9. general a. this license shall terminate without further notice or action by autodesk if you, the licensee, become bankrupt, make an arrangement with your creditors or go into liquidation. how quaint…this is worded is such wide non-specific terms that even merely making an arrangement with your creditors (and there's no specification as to what that arrangement may or may not entail) can subject you to loss of your licenses without notification or further action by autodesk. |
| autodesk building systems 2004(10:55pm est tue feb 17 2004) autodesk lied to the company i work for in an attempt to sell them 180 licenses of abs 2004. well it worked. $500,000 later we have a cad system that is slow, incomplete and not what was advertised. if i where our ceo i would force autodesk to buy them back. autodesk's abs software is not ready for prime time yet. abs 2005 looks promising with some built in design tools but we will have to wait and see on that one. – by by non-ceo |
| autocad issues. (7:16pm est sat mar 27 2004) i believe the problem here is that autodesk built their company on information, instead of brick and mortar. as an avid seller and developer of software, i can tell you it is difficult to become a large company peddling software. that is why autodesk and these other giants become such lawsuit junkies. actually, i am now changing my company to more of an electronics reseller, because i do not believe in building my company into a large corporation based on “information sales”. you have to have a lawyer ready at all times and build so much hype and logged customers to start forcing everyone into paying large sums of money. also, i believe there is an ethical issue here. how can autodesk or adobe live with themselves, when they sue a teacher for $50,000 for accidentially using an educational version of said software, when their software aint even worth the retail price they put on it? i have seen free software that is as good as studio max. you limp brained resellers, just check out povray and moray for a combo that is practically free. or maybe terragen for landscaping. there is nothing that studio max offers that could whip terragen in landscaping. and its a free program! i have given away my software for free in the past. i know have two titles selling in best buy, coscos, sams, etc. but, i look at it as a hobby now. i plan on growing my company through real physical item sales, which is a lot more “solid” than information products. |
| eula – legislate(6:40am est tue mar 30 2004) here in australia autocad is virtually industry standard – most firms don't have a viable choice of alternative .doesnt this then raise some ethical issues as far as terms and conditions on purchase go. i reckon if the eula is not fair and goes too far – legislate – why not – government for the people and by the people and all that stuff – and before you say what a naive git i am,have a think about it. – by tony smith |
| geeks(9:00pm est sat may 15 2004) why in the freakin world would you make geek.com. you must be the most damn stupid person in the world – by donald dyer |
| what a bunch of complainers!(6:43pm est mon jun 14 2004) what a bunch of complainers! i have never heard so many people getting angry about something that they cannot do anything about. what is the point? just get on with life and concentrate on more important things. – by the oracle |
| another alternative(2:22pm est tue jul 20 2004) i'm new to the game. what do you people think of powercad for mac? is mac a toy? or is it the future 'standard' among design platforms? newspapers, ad agencies, publishers and artists all use macs. why not you? – by gary |
| remove educational autocad mark(5:06pm est wed dec 15 2004) it is possible to remove the educational watermark from autocad? how do you do it? thanks – by david |
| educational plot stamp(7:43pm est mon jan 31 2005) of course this has nothing to do with the thread topic, but i would like to address a few of the questions on the plot stamp. as i am sure you know the stamp is there to discourage commercial use of the software. it stays with the file and is damn hard to get rid of. if you download a block, symbol, arrowhead, whatever it can infect your entire network even if you have legitimate commercial copies. if this applies to you – contact autodesk they can loan you software to fix this, it self-destructs when it is done. for the rest of you, students doing side work or whatever. there was an export/import trick in 2000/2000i that worked nicely. the newer versions have that covered. there have been a couple little programs out but they were quickly shut down by autodesk. i think they have full-time people scanning the web looking for various violations. you can still find programs occaissionally on hacker sites that will strip out the educational watermark – but be very careful of viruses/malware. your best bet is to trim the hard copy or get any graphics program that will import/edit .plt files (corel/illustrator, etc). import the plot file, clean it and then plot it from the graphics program. if you have 2005, save it back before you plot to a file. whatever you do, don't send the electronic files to your clients. – by joe-ez |
| unwilling pirates(7:43am est sun apr 24 2005) is it any wonder the world is awash with pirate copies of autocad. why would anyone pay $3-4000 for a product that cant hatch an obviously closed entity for toffee.for a product that relies on people to write lisp routines and bolt on tools that should be included in that price. license or no license , it frankly isn't worth the money, which is a shame because it could be a great program. – by matt |
| the way to removing education product statement from your cad file (12:49am est wed jun 29 2005) say you had a good autocad drawing from r2000 or r2004 but someone saveeed it on a educational version or someone working for you has this version. the educational product statement then attached to the the paper space title sheet of that drawing. when you saved it or someone saved it in the educational version it attached a autodesk file or script file, and you see the result in your plots or prints. the “educational product or vesion statement shows up on all four borders” of you important cad drawing. for people on deadlines this is not good. there is a simple work around way to remove that problem. it is a simple cad procedure. it does not change the software. this method removes the plotting problem so you can use the cad file as before. to restore your original cad file without the education products statement you have to remove the xrefs in paper space. the title information of the cad drawing contains the problem. so by detaching the xrefs in the paper space or deleting the information in the paper space entirely and then purging the drawing both in paper space and model space. you remove the problem partially next, find a clean origninal autocad title sheet drawing you have from a fully licensed autocad older version, then again attached the title sheet as a xref back into the paper space of the cad drawing being reparied or ddinsert the title block border into the paper space part of the drawing being repaired. this works good every time you do this procedure. a suggestion if you work in educational software. simply strip out the xref title sheets, purge the file and attach a clean title sheet from an regular autocad version, and all will be well and good to go. – by a helpful hint. |